they are almost trying to set up a counter balance to the nra. there is an organization called americans nor responsible solutions that they are launching today and they make the argument that until now the gun lobby's political contributions have not been matched by others, that is about to change, no longer is what they write, is that how you see it? >> clearly that's their strategy, but again it all comes down to the sort of nuts and bolts of it. what is it that they are proposing? when you get into dash tkaerbg, if you want to create a nation hal database of people who are mentally unstable and shouldn't be getting guns, well do you think maybe that there might be some objection? forget the nra, do you think there might be some objection to epg keeping -- the government keeping a list of mentally unstable people? do you think maybe the aclu, or maybe some other group, psychiatric group might have some objection to the federal government doing that sort of thing stphao. bill: thing? criminals and the mentally ill can easily purchase guns by ae